tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1889703609429110183.post3086007562157130231..comments2023-03-25T07:02:46.340-07:00Comments on CILOSOPHY: IVF and a new world order.cilosophyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10733313024890630138noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1889703609429110183.post-31622449636365282382016-06-04T01:40:11.411-07:002016-06-04T01:40:11.411-07:00Bloody awesome comment. I could imagine we would h...Bloody awesome comment. I could imagine we would have a very lively conversation about this IRL, after some vino.cilosophyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10733313024890630138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1889703609429110183.post-27239991144685641802016-06-04T01:00:05.224-07:002016-06-04T01:00:05.224-07:00Great post. You've raised issues that really r...Great post. You've raised issues that really resonate with me.<br /><br />Profit driven medicine always has its pitfalls. You know interventions and investigations that would never be considered in public, are performed without too much fuss in private. The strong financial incentive to pursue bill-able items can't help but distort practices. But as an informed 'consumer', you're probably better positioned to navigate the bullshit. You can exercise caution. You can interrogate the evidence.<br /><br />It's unfortunate that Four Corners used IVF as the example, but informed consent and questionable EBM practice were my main concerns arising from that program. I wish the Four Corners program did more to highlight the systemic issues of private medicine in Australia - rather than focus on this very emotive field that inevitably throws judgement at women who participate in it. <br /><br />We discussed the program at work, and comments such as 'why would any woman be so stupid' stung. The same questions aren't asked of why Mr X underwent an angiogram for questionable indications - and suffered complications. No one is asking why was Mr X "so stupid" to undergo a procedure he perhaps didn't need, yet women are cast as hysterical in their desire to pursue IVF with the hope of pregnancy.<br /><br />To imagine women's fertility choices occur in a vacuum does us such a great disservice. Gab Kovacs also described his area of specialisation as 'lifestlyle' medicine (or some such term), inferring that it is a field that has only arisen because women have chosen lifestyle over family.<br /><br />Like you, I am second time married, and feel only relief that I never had children the first time round. A child would have been born into a most unhealthy and volatile environment, and my opportunities to leave - and build a life thereafter would have been greatly curtailed.<br /><br />My decision or desire to have children now and not a decade ago do of course have something to do with lifestyle. I now enjoy a healthy, stable relationship with a man who also wants children and the resources to enable this. This is the 'lifestyle' I've chosen.<br /><br />Sorry, I'm getting ranty. I just get frustrated with the unfair judgements thrown at women my age. It's no small undertaking to pursue IVF and I wish you courage and quick success. Good luck.*Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17220933420391928399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1889703609429110183.post-8111523046052436202016-06-01T02:19:45.525-07:002016-06-01T02:19:45.525-07:00Sending all the good luck vibes your way :) xxSending all the good luck vibes your way :) xxShaunahttp://www.shaunareid.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1889703609429110183.post-40446107145828221022016-05-31T16:12:07.839-07:002016-05-31T16:12:07.839-07:00Thanks Sue xx And welcome :DThanks Sue xx And welcome :Dcilosophyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10733313024890630138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1889703609429110183.post-41670365866630124662016-05-31T16:11:49.324-07:002016-05-31T16:11:49.324-07:00damn straight K.damn straight K.cilosophyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10733313024890630138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1889703609429110183.post-91328304913365784052016-05-31T16:11:33.634-07:002016-05-31T16:11:33.634-07:00thanks N xxthanks N xxcilosophyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10733313024890630138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1889703609429110183.post-27611021549304827902016-05-31T16:11:16.955-07:002016-05-31T16:11:16.955-07:00thanks a xxthanks a xxcilosophyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10733313024890630138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1889703609429110183.post-38068408719280655422016-05-31T14:06:55.446-07:002016-05-31T14:06:55.446-07:00We have our daughter becuase of IVF. It utterly su...We have our daughter becuase of IVF. It utterly sucked and I won't say 'it was worth it', but I love her and I love being a family so maybe it was.LBTEPAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17630217889998453714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1889703609429110183.post-18579044573696307302016-05-31T09:54:21.326-07:002016-05-31T09:54:21.326-07:00Please forgive me for a first time comment on some...Please forgive me for a first time comment on something so personal. But, here goes: I felt the same way as you about the IVF route v naturally, but you know what, after all else had failed, it worked. And, for us, that was all that mattered in the end. The Very Best of Luck to you both.Suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09471221804410563557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1889703609429110183.post-90454797227444442762016-05-31T08:25:43.556-07:002016-05-31T08:25:43.556-07:00Yeah, settling and not being picky and having kids...Yeah, settling and not being picky and having kids young has worked out so well for women historically. Damn middle class men telling women what to do with their bodies.Kathrynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08699328937978331608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1889703609429110183.post-60190292401002220272016-05-31T06:07:02.880-07:002016-05-31T06:07:02.880-07:00I don't know what to say Cilla except I hope y...I don't know what to say Cilla except I hope you get what you want. I really do. I don't know enough about IVF although I know of 3 people who did it successfully and all I know is that funny enough they were beyond caring about anything other than having a baby and were also past 35. You are a doctor and have plenty of people you can chat with and be able to consider your options so you are lucky. I hope it goes well for you. xCoulda shoulda wouldahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12507021618497645667noreply@blogger.com